Hello
excuse me for typing english as my german sucks really bad.
finding a german isp is also verry hard because of my bad german
i was hoping you guys could give me a good suggestion what type of ISP i should choose
the Internet connection we have right now is verry slow
i was hoping if it was possible to get a ADSL2+ connection (VDSL is also good)
our location is in Kollig (near Mayen) i have seen that many people use Alice DSL they offer a 16.000kbps flat rate line what does Flat rate mean?
also i was hoping if it where to be possible to get a ISP without download limitations
since we will rent away our internet for people who will vizit our location for a couple of day's
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There really is a huge choise of ISP's in germany. I would recomment to ask the ISP's what possible download rate for your adress would be possible and then choose considering the answers and the monthly fees or current promotions.
flat rate means that you pay a constant monthly fee for your internet access and can use it all day long without any download restrictions. i think 99% of germanys ISP's offer internet-flatrates for adsl2+ lines.
please be aware that it is not allowed to rent the dsl-connection to other people because you are not a business client!
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okey thats good to know
its also good to know that flat rate means no download limits
is it possible to give it to those who rent the rooms?
in this way they wont be paying for the Wifi its standard included with the rooms
Hallo and welcome in the forum,
based on the given information I have checked the availibility of DSL in Kollig.
Result: Telekom can provide you DSL with a download just up the 2.048.
1&1 can provide you the same based on Telekomline.
I doubt that Alice can provide you more.
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hi firest0rm
you may also use vdsl 5000 with the isp 1&1. It depends on in where exactly (street and number) you live in Kollig. Please do not write the adress here in the forum. You may send me a private message.
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okey so DSL over the phone line is not a option i guess
then what about satellite options?
i have seen several high speed satelite options
they are more expansive i know but they are willing to pay for it i think...
SkyDSL
they offer a Flat rate DSL2+ 10.000kbps download and 2.000kbps upload
total price would be 478,80 euros (including satellite dish cost) the first year they would be charging us around 49,90 euro's a month and after that they will charg 39,90 euro's a month
this is without phone and telivision
49,90 for 10mbps down and 2mbps up is expansive altho over due time its gets cheaper
so for a long term investment this wouldent be souch a bad idea?
any one alse know any good Satellite Internet service providers?
they also offer extra upload speed if we pay 29,90 extra
which would double our upload to 4mbps
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There do several aspects have to be mentioned:
- the legal aspect: the rates and ISPs named so far are alltogether for private usage. It is surely no problem to share an internet connection via WLAN. But, if you want to stay in an absolute legalized area, you should check for ISPs that allow the operation of hotspots.
- The technical aspect:
You seem to have a business in any form. Are you going to share the connection you use for your business with your guests oder will you order an extra line for them? If you really plan to share your single connection, you should know that you share the bandwidth for your phone line, except you decide to be connected via Telekom. I would be very careful to set my business equipment for the match.
There are several Broadband techniques available: As you told, ADSL is available with ~2 MBps. A wired connection will always be the most reliable connection! How many Guests would maybe share this connection with you?
Maybe there would be the possibility to raise the speed via Rate-adaptive-Mode connection. About the availibility concerning that, ask my pre-speakers via PN.
alternative access techniques are:
- 4G (LTE) plans, the availibility can be checked at the Internet sites of o2online; Vodafone; T-home
- Satellite: The only system of choice (imho) is KA-Sat - in germany provided by some resellers you can see here HERE
I myself have good experiences with DSL2u as the only provider without massive throttling after relatively little traffic
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we have already come to the conclusion that 2MBps is the max for download speeds availability for this house
the Internet will not be sold so its free to use for any one thats going to sleep over
the internet connection is passworded ofcourse (cant see why this wouldent be allowed)
as for the technical aspect we already have a plan on how to share our internet
it will be done professionaly
the big problem is that 2MBps is to slow even for the persons who live there
they dont game only check youtube and do some email and sometimes download
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as for the technical aspect we already have a plan on how to share our internet
it will be done professionaly
Although this is going to be done professionally, I would not share my business communication. What, if two Youtube-Streams are active while a potential customer cannot reach you properly because of your weak connection? The only possibility I see here is to separate Internet and phone lines either in using two providers (Telekom for phone lines and an other one for the broadband connection!) or just rely on a Telekom-Package including a real Phone line and a separated broadband connection!
The only possibility I see for your desires is a good availibility of LTE (4G), as I told you in my last posting, e.g. via Vodafone! But: Attention! Every wireless solution will throttle your connection after having reached a certain amount of traffic! The one more, the other less! Satellite connections are totally unsuitable for this usage (many users, many traffic, other alternatives)
As the normal wired ADSL line will probably not provide more speed than the mentioned 2 MBps, you will have to make a decision:
a) you go a real professional way (possibly with an SDSL-Connection or a professional radio link) and let the customers pay for it. This will surely cost a maybe even high three-figure-sum per month but will surely satisfy your claims.
b) you do not want to spend so much money. Then you will have to scale down your claims, as the normal-priced (under ~50 €) solutions are thought for private use in a household. Then it goes in the direction of handyman tinkering, even if the hardware is installed
If I was you, I would choose the followin
For a safe business communication I would want to have a real (not VoIP) Phone line and additional broadband access. Mostly, this means a Telekom Call & Surf package. In some cases, there are regional ISPs available.
For the Guests I would try to get a second, cheap connection. e.g. the 1und1 special plan or something from alice. maybe without a long contract term. As probably Telekom-technique is going to be used, every other, cheaper provider should be able to deliver the same broadband"quality".
whether this is legally certainly correct, you can extract from the according terms and conditions (if you want)!
The first connection would be used by me and the other persons in the "household"
The second connection would be shared with a solution like Hotsplots.
That means I have to pay additonal to the e.g. Alice-fees ~ 10 € for a Hotsplots-Free-Rate and "Biz-Kostenlos". For this I can be sure that the customers have a professional login procedure. I could maybe allow 1 hour per day for free and then the access would cost a little fee to cover the costs.
The capacity would not be enough to meet all your demands but would be a) affordable (all in all far under 100 € per month) and b) a technically sure, rather professional solution without high investments.
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you still havent explained the throttling part.....
SkyDSL offers Flat rate internet so this would mean no throttling?
as for the phone line part
they only have 1 phone line so that means 1 provider
the speed is to low for both costumers and the people who live there
so even if i would seperate the connections then i would still need a better connection... and a better connection for the phone line is not availible
(SDSL is not possible in this area)
When we have rented the houses away we will have around 12 people staying
we would like to be able to atleast give them just enough juice to open up their email and watch youtube
as for the wireless part we will be using the following setup
1 transmitter at the main house, the signal will be strong enough to cover a wide area.
and 3 recievers for each house (these recievers will be hooked up with a cable)
this way the connection will stay optimal as this will bypass the thick walls we have
the phone line will probably stay in use no VoIP
EDIT: i have found a satelite provider that doesnt have Fair Access Policy this would mean no throttling
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If it is such a big project, you will need a complete, professional solution anyway. I do not think you can install all this on your own.
Please consult the according company you trust and expect the same answer: If you want a solution that meets all your demands, you will have to spend a multiple sum to the solutions you mentioned. It will not be possible to deliver a youtube stream per house, not in this way.
The Satellite providers promise a flatrate without throttling, that is true. But: every wireless system provides only a little fraction of the capacity you find in wired systems. In certain tarif plans there is no throttling table that throttles you for a certain time. If the capacity is not enough at the moment, there is a kind of "shadow table". According to this table users with lower traffic will not even recognize this bottle neck, "powerusers" like you maybe will have no more surfing fun until the overusage is over.
I am really not amused that someone who plans a project in this size and for business use is not willing to spend the necessary amount of money. Or do you need a second opinion because you do not trust your system administrator?
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first of all we dont own that much cash this is still a familly business
im the system administrator
i still dont se why a youtube stream would get bottlenecked
especially when i have flat rate internet without a fair access policy
also we already own a satelite dish so we dont have to pay for that
If the capacity is not enough at the moment, there is a kind of "shadow table". According to this table users with lower traffic will not even recognize this bottle neck, "powerusers" like you maybe will have no more surfing fun until the overusage is over.
would this still be a problem if i limit the download/upload speed with a VLAN?
3 guest houses each 1.5mbps download and the main house 5mbps download
3 guest houses each 512kbps upload and the main house 2mbps upload
this way the full Download and upload speed will never be reached
as for the installation of the wifi network this will be done by a professional team thick walls requier a good wifi network
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